Challenge #3 - NextGen Small Scene

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Challenge #3
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The Challenge - Next-Gen Small Scene


Your challenge is to create a small contained scene with different material types like in the Next-Gen Texturing Techniques DVD.

Related inspirational training: Due to the similarity of the subject matter within this challenge and our Next-Gen Texturing DVD, we are now offering a 25% discount on this DVD for the duration of this challenge to help you along the way and to inspire you to new creative heights. :)
Simply use this code at checkout: NextGen_Challenge

The Prizes


  • 1st Prize ($1,050): 1 Full license of ZBrush 4, a 1-Year streaming subscription to our entire training catalogue and a golden trophy/medal that will be placed under your user name.
  • 2nd Prize ($700): 1 Intuos 4 Medium, a 1-Year streaming subscription to our entire training catalogue and a silver trophy/medal that will be placed under your user name.
  • 3rd Prize ($350): A 1-Year streaming subscription to our entire training catalogue and a bronze trophy/medal that will be placed under your user name.

  • Honorable Mention ($50): A 1-Month streaming subscription to our entire training catalogue.

  • Full Participation ($35): A 1-Month streaming subscription to one select DVD. Anyone who fully participates with a qualifying entry will get a free 1-month streaming DVD. (one per person)

The Rules


  • You must be a registered member of Eat3 3D. (no prior tutorial purchases are necessary to enter this challenge)
  • You must post updates at regular intervals between the start and end of the challenge.
  • You must submit your final entry by 11:59PM on the 2nd of January.
  • All entrys must be 100% original and created especially for this challenge. No kit bashing or reusing old assets/base meshes is permitted.
  • All images must be uploaded to the Eat 3D server via our attachment service.
  • Eat 3D does not own the content created by you in this challenge but we do reserve the right to display any submitted images for promotional purposes on eat3d.com.

The Budget


  • Your entry must have a maximum combined total of 10,000 triangles for all objects.
  • Your entry must have 4 different material types. (example: metal, stone, ground, concrete, rubber, etc)
  • Your entry must have no more than a combined 1x4096x4096 total texture space per texture type (diffuse, spec, normal, etc). For example:
  • 1x4096 Diffuse, Specular, Normal.
  • or 4x2048 Diffuse, Specular, Normal.
  • or 16x1024 Diffuse, Specular, Normal. (or any combination of sizes, as long as each type doesnt exceed 4096)
  • Light maps and Sky boxes are allowed and can have unlimited resolution.
  • Your entry must be rendered and presented from within the game engine of your choice (UDK, Marmoset Toolbag, CryEngine, idTech, Source etc.)
  • Post-processing within the engine of your choice is allowed and encouraged.
  • No Bullshots! Touching up rendering errors and performing color correction or any other imaged editor based post processing is strictly forbidden (apart from adding titles, borders and text)
  • Only a groundplane is allowed. (a simple floor/ground. No pedistal allowed)
  • You must submit a final beauty shot that is at least 1280x720.
  • You must submit a final texture sheet which contains all material passes that is at least 2048x2048.
  • You must submit a final wire shot that is at least 1280x720.
  • Video turnaround is suggested but not required.
  • Multiple Entries are allowed.

How to submit your entry


  • Create a thread in the Contests and Challenges forum.
  • Title your thread with the challenge name followed by your user name e.g. NextGen Small Scene - metalliandy
  • Start posting!
  • Post your final image on the first post in your thread using our "File Attachments" system.
  • "Optional" Upload your video turnaround to a popluar video sharing site (Youtube, Vimeo, etc) and post the link/embed in the first post of your thread in the "Video Link" field.
  • You must submit your final entry by 11:59PM on the 2nd of January.

Judges


** Joe Berger is replacing Jim Magill as a judge due to a family emergency.

-Riki

Sean VanGorder's picture
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You guys have the best challenges <3

 

Good luck to everyone!

Pixelgoat's picture
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Entering Smiling

 

What is the definition of a "small scene" though? Where to you draw the line between just big enough and too big? Smiling

roosterMAP's picture
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I so happy that eat3d doesn't forget the environment artists.

hunter1st's picture
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im in, im gona have some fun with this one

jakejohnson's picture
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Env. Artists forever! Smiling

Riki's picture
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roosterMAP wrote:

I so happy that eat3d doesn't forget the environment artists.

Thats why we are having 2, i didnt want to leave env out! Smiling

-Riki

Riki's picture
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Pixelgoat wrote:

Entering Smiling

 

What is the definition of a "small scene" though? Where to you draw the line between just big enough and too big? Smiling

I realize some terminology is confusing. The goal is to produce something similar to the texturing DVD. Something that is self contained and would look good in a turnaround video or something like that. It needs to be contained within itself and shown off easily within a screenshot if that makes sense. Just a small scene. Imagine the Old and Damaged contest we just had but just expanded a little further to make something a little more complex. Also we are focusing on different material types to really push the texturing aspect of the competition.

Just remember bigger isnt better. If what i said doesnt make sense I will try and think through it some more for a more clear definition. Smiling

-Riki

bunglo's picture
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Yes, yes, YEEEES!

If you already own an Intuos 4 Medium like my self, could we give it to 3rd place if we choose? I'd rather it go to someone who doesn't have one but deserves it.

Any ways, this competition is ganna be awesome Laughing out loud

Riki's picture
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We can do that probably.

-Riki

Flewda's picture
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I think I might have to join this one.

bunglo's picture
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Great!

Regarding the material types, is 4 both the minimum and max amount or just the minimum? Basically, can we have more than 4 different material types if we choose to?

Rico's picture
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Oh man oh man! I love the Eat3d Challenges!

I don't know if I'm going to enter hmmm...good luck to everyone that does though!

Edit: Just re-read the prizes...got to shoot for 2nd again! Want to get that Intous for my gf, lol.

ampaist's picture
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AWESOME!@ i just joined as soon as i heard about this ><.

so i can use multiple objects right.. it doesn't have to be one big collect of objects

edit: what about small animations in the turnaround?

-HP-'s picture
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Hey Riki! Thanks for this great innitiatives! Smiling

 

I think I'll give this one a shot, it looks challenge enough and the dead-line is fair!

 

Good luck everyone!

Level Artist

www.helderpinto.com

Rico's picture
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Question: Is the 4 different material types minimum? Can we add more?

bunglo's picture
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HP! Another entry that'll force me to push my self Smiling

Riki's picture
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Rico wrote:

Question: Is the 4 different material types minimum? Can we add more?

yes, add as many as you want but remember the texture budget.

-Riki

Riki's picture
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ampaist wrote:

so i can use multiple objects right.. it doesn't have to be one big collect of objects

edit: what about small animations in the turnaround?

yes it can be multiple objects and yes there can be small animations.

-Riki

Riki's picture
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bunglo wrote:

Regarding the material types, is 4 both the minimum and max amount or just the minimum? Basically, can we have more than 4 different material types if we choose to?

Just the minimum, you can have more.

-Riki

couto607's picture
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Damn, this sounds great. Too bad I can't enter this one, too packed with school work right now. I really hope to enter one of these competitions eventually, there are some great prizes.

 

Can't wait to see the entries.

smithreed's picture
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WOW!!! This sounds cool... Eat 3D challenges are really great.. i think I'm going to enter.. All the best for every one..
 

andrewmackie08's picture
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I feel the same way couto607. But I will still attempt something small! Maybe not finish in time but have something to work with later Laughing out loud

_Andrew Mackie  --  Website

mr_verkerk's picture
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I was wondering whether you are allowed to team up with someone? Smiling

shashankd10's picture
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i m in..................

wildstyle's picture
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Awesome! I'm in. This came pretty fast, didn't even have time to start my next personal project. But I'll give it my best again!

shashankd10's picture
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[only a groundplane is allowed. (a simple floor/ground. No pedistal allowed)]................??????

plz give me some details..........

metalliandy's picture
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mr_verkerk wrote:

I was wondering whether you are allowed to team up with someone? Smiling

For this contest only single entrants are allowed, though we may have a challenge in the future where teams are allowed to enter. Smiling

shashankd10 wrote:

[only a groundplane is allowed. (a simple floor/ground. No pedistal allowed)]................??????

plz give me some details..........

Because it is a scene, you are allowed to have a ground plane or a simple floor to display your work and the cost of that ground plane or simple floor will not be counted against your texture or poly budget.

A simple floor is not a requirement though, and you could have a ground mesh that is more detailed as long as you include it within your budget.

wolfsage's picture
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Awesome! What a great idea for a contest and cool prizes too Smiling

Not sure if I'll have time to take part as I've already started the Dominance War V pre challenge.

There are so many competitions on at the moment and so little time...

Titan369's picture
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This sounds pretty cool, think I'll give it a go.

lonelymonk's picture
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Great competition. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but if you duplicate static meshes  in UDK does that count towards the final polygon count for this competition?

Riki's picture
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Yes it does. The easiest way would be to import it all as 1 mesh and assign the different materials.

-Riki

GoSsS's picture
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Quick question; is this allowed to create a robot in the scene.

Like in this example : 

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/27712/27712_1195250694_medium...

 

If the robot is created with two materials, like metal and plastic, it counts for 2 materials right ?

Riki's picture
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GoSsS wrote:

Quick question; is this allowed to create a robot in the scene.

Like in this example : 

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/27712/27712_1195250694_medium...

 

If the robot is created with two materials, like metal and plastic, it counts for 2 materials right ?

I dont see a problem with that. Keep in mind the judging will be focused on the environment  primarily. Also yes that would count as 2 material types. 

-Riki

Ghigher's picture
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Cool !! Great contest !! Let's Make it :) 

TWarnke0's picture
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Is it ok to post progress on other forums to get advice? 

 Deviant Art Account

http://spinagain.deviantart.com/

Riki's picture
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Yeah thats fine.

-Riki

skyline5gtr's picture
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When you say ground plane only does that mean that it cannot be a simple room?

metalliandy's picture
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skyline5gtr wrote:

When you say ground plane only does that mean that it cannot be a simple room?

You dont have to use the ground plane and its only there as an option for presentation purposes if your scene doesn't include a floor of its own and you want to put something there.

Feel free to make a room as you scene with its own floor (must be included in the budget though Smiling)

jose-guilherme's picture
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I come now at Eat 3D, can I join?

Benji385's picture
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Hey, Quick question can i enter my Level Detention Block AA 23?

or does it have to be something completely new and non Copyrighted?

http://eat3d.com/forum/work-progress/detention-block-aa-23-wip-star-wars...

Please let me know

Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up.
- Pablo Picasso

Rico's picture
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  • All entrys must be 100% original and created especially for this challenge. No kit bashing or reusing old assets/base meshes is permitted.

You have to start from scratch for these contests.

Benji385's picture
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Rico wrote:

  • All entrys must be 100% original and created especially for this challenge. No kit bashing or reusing old assets/base meshes is permitted.

You have to start from scratch for these contests.

Ok no problem Smiling

Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up.
- Pablo Picasso

metalliandy's picture
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<span>jose-guilherme</span> wrote:

I come now at Eat 3D, can I join?

 

Sure! Smiling

 

Benji385 wrote:

Hey, Quick question can i enter my Level Detention Block AA 23?

or does it have to be something completely new and non Copyrighted?

http://eat3d.com/forum/work-progress/detention-block-aa-23-wip-star-wars...

Please let me know

 

Rico wrote:

  • All entrys must be 100% original and created especially for this challenge. No kit bashing or reusing old assets/base meshes is permitted.

You have to start from scratch for these contests.

Rico is 100% correct!

Everything must be started from scratch for all Eat3d contests so that there are no factors that would give anyone an unfair advantage. Smiling

Benji385's picture
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One Last Question then i will shut up and start working Sticking out tongue

Will the use of BSP count against our overall poly count?

Thanks Smiling

Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up.
- Pablo Picasso

metalliandy's picture
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Benji385 wrote:

One Last Question then i will shut up and start working Sticking out tongue

Will the use of BSP count against our overall poly count?

Thanks Smiling

 

Yes BSP counts against the allotted budget Smiling

Yuriy's picture
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Couple questions.

1. Double sided materials . How they will count ? Doubled geometry or no ?

2. I have in mind to put some effects for turnable . Lets say , it will be grayscale texture that will be running over base diffuse . What type it will be ? Diffuse ?

3. Also i want to use light function in UDK . What type will be textures that i will use for this purpose ?

4. Can i use Decal Actors in UDK ?

Riki's picture
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1. Double sided materials . How they will count ? Doubled geometry or no ?

double sided materials do not count against anything.

2. I have in mind to put some effects for turnable . Lets say , it will be grayscale texture that will be running over base diffuse . What type it will be ? Diffuse ?

it can be its own texture but you must stay within the budget. The judging will primarily be on the environment itself (mesh, textures, lighting)

3. Also i want to use light function in UDK . What type will be textures that i will use for this purpose ?

it can be its own texture but you must stay within the budget

4. Can i use Decal Actors in UDK ?

Yes but the decal textures will go against the budget

-Riki

metalliandy's picture
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Riki wrote:

 

1. Double sided materials . How they will count ? Doubled geometry or no ?

double sided materials do not count against anything.

Just to clarify.

For the purposes of this challenge, double sided materials will not add an extra geometry cost when compared to a single sided material but they still count against your budget in terms of triangles as if they were a single sided material.

e.g. You have a grass material on a single plane that is 2 tris and converting it to a double sided material will not increase the tri count to 4.

Smiling

nerf3601's picture
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ok Im  a total newb but I cant figure out how to start my own thread so I can enter this contest! Confused

 

shashankd10's picture
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is entry is over .......

hey  .   .....how we  post a new thread  for challange.....

hey  .   .....how we  post a new thread  for challange.....